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Lisa Hirsch

When I was writing peer-review on another writer's document, my (female! very tough!) boss had me soften my comments considerably. They were comments to a man. I've wondered ever since if she makes the guys soften their comments, and if so, to whom.

I have been trying to fight the urge to use qualifiers in myself. I have had some success.

vito excalibur

Shit yeah.

I already try to do this, but it's good to be reminded to.

And I am aware that I am probably the woman that needs this the least! Sigh.

Do you know synecdochic? I just met her and her fabulous idea which is the Monday morning pride post. You post something good you did that week. It was surprisingly hard. Good exercise I think.

badgerbag

It is surprisingly tough!

I also find it super hard to edit out the self-deprecating and unsure when I should and shouldn't.

fridawrites

Since I'm well out of badgerbag's reach, I'm not an expert, but I think maybe I'm going to have to just stop writing random crazy rants in my little posts, though I'm not sure and you're better at this than I am. Maybe that's just silly.

Oh, this is a tough one for me. It really is. I try to predicate everything.

fridawrites

Qualify everything, I qualify everything. Not predicate everything. I will own my mistake, wahahahaha.

badgerbag

No! No! I suck more than you! I SWEAR. Please don't hurt me.

fridawrites

I can't. I'm disabled. [Falls over laughing.]

oursin

Ummm, errr: cultural issues here! Being English, understatement, self-deprecation, and apologising for having one's foot stood on are national characteristics (though can sometimes usefully be deployed in a hostile way, as in the exquisitely polite backstab...).

Also, for me there is a difference between playing with/exploring ideas and thoughts - for which a degree of provisionality in the expression is entirely appropriate - and speaking in a more authoritative fashion in other circumstances.

k

I am too old and too tired to worry about what words I use or what words guys use. And the older I get the less I care!

Lori S.

I think context (and code-switching) is an important factor. I try to cut out direct self-deprecation. But, as oursin says, sometimes provisionality in the stating of ideas is useful and appropriate. The key to me is that the ideas are provisional, though. I am not.

Megan

Great post.

I try to do exactly what you're talking about, but sometimes it requires ruthless...and I do mean ruthless, editing.

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Pretty Lady

Oh, darling, I ruthlessly exploit this system. Shocking how effective it is, to sadly confess to having, say, an IQ which fetches up against the extreme end of the bell curve, and speak ever so patiently to those cute little boys who have such fierce opinions, poor things, getting all riled up like that.

When things get really ugly, I bring out the big guns; I tell the boys to mind their manners. They tremble and comply. Tellingly, the only commenters I have ever had to ban have been female.

danny

Speaking as an English person myself, I think it has just as an emotionally crippling effect on our national culture as it does on women. It feels like a defence against bullies in society, but it just enables them.

Ide Cyan

The thing about removing these rhetorical strategies is, *telling* people that you're removing them highlights their absence and skews the effects of the strategy.

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