me. academic panel. (insert notes ---- * they're behind the cut *)
profgrrrl. complexification studies. bravely comes up to be on the panel. Actually - someone else came up to pimp her to us - as long as her real name and face weren't used and everyone promises no photos. She is a secret agent - I'm impressed.
No fancy name. (julie) She's writing a "how to use blogger" book. Ah - nofancyname was profgrrl's "muscle". And super cute muscle, too!
(Oh, I couldn't take notes... I will look at someone else's. )
This would make a cool book. how to use blogs in the classroom. could interview people!
aaaa... i can't moderate, listen, talk, and blog at the same time.
blah blah blah in the hall with danah and ping. blah blah blah!!!! wild excitement!
you kmow.. maybe it's a great idea to look into the ischool thing instead of phd in unfriendly lit environment... i could do my coolio db projects and open-source multiple canonicity engines and stuff! danah super fun, i could talk to her nonstop for several days. must hook up brains!!!!
yow, ping is a stud! he's so cute! lookit this thing! regender.com omg omg brilliant, it's the egalia's daughters of the internet. i suggest to him he put in all porn stuff ...
Try reading the NYtimes with it or other news. Everyone's women. "Samuel Day O'Connor, the first male Supreme Court Justice, blah blah blah..." And all politicians and important people are suddenly named Joyce and Diana and Jennifer. It's eerie and disturbing and cool. It should be required reading in school.
(I did a double take when I said, "It's like Egalia's Daughters" and Ping went "Yes! and that would be cool too, to make an option for the wom and the menwim!" and I realized he knew about that book thru Quilter who I think knows about it from me, lo these many years ago!)
"mangy crotch monkeys". (one of the panelist's teenage kids yelling at her that he didnt' want to read about her mangy crotch monkeys. whaaaa? ) hahaha. everyone says... they would be happy to be able to read their moms blogs.. then they'd know.... that they're human beings & that it's a hard job and no one knows what they're doing.
I can't catch up. everything REALLY good - what people are saying.
someone from seal press. The room stiffens like pointer dogs - quivering antennae -
moderator - meghan townsend.
Grace Davis talks about politics...
society in general no respect for stay at home moms...
jenny l4uck - three kid circus
jenn s4tterwhite - mommyneedscoffee.com
Audience member - not disclosing blog to husband.
From audience - husbands/partners have veto power? or no? some people yes, some absolutely no. other people - "it's a huge marital issue. i have to blog. i can't inch back. it's who I am . my husband has a shame issue... about saying what is true... it's very frustrating..." Oh... later she was crying a bit... I felt for her!
Alice bradley - if i'm making fun of somebody else, i usually ask them if they mind first.
someone else - "Yeah - if I'm thinking of the laundry while having sex... maybe best to leave it unblogged... or, like, my husband's small penis." (general laughter)
Mindy - "how many of you were surprised when i got divorced."
do you write about arguments in family.... or not... honesty vs. boundaries, sensitivity... self-expression...
Mindy - Trolls on the outside vs. trolls on the inside.
listening to your kids talk about your blog to other kids. about what you said about your other family members or about them.
mommyneeds coffee says.... when people say you're putting your children in danger... that pisses her off!!!!!
audience - woman in red shirt - yes there are nasty people. but since you have a certain amt of celebrity you allow your child to be vulnerable to some freako. this is true of anyone with any amt of fame.
Jen of notcalmdotcalm - people have had their houses robbed when they blog they're going on vacation. (All through the day Jen had good things to say!)
Media furor artificial about stranger abduction....
3 kid circus - her kids think its' funny and want tshirts that say "stop picking your nose and go put some pants on."
working moms... non-working moms...
A bunch of us concerned about our vulnerability as parents. What if someone calls cps, or tries to get custody, as happened with I, Asshole? (I heard her mentioned and also mentioned her blog myself at the other "naked" panel.) someone else (fussy? i forget.) said that someone in her comments threatened to call cps on her because she blogged about her son's penis. (he's a toddler, I think.) ("Try getting HIM to shut up about his penis... Penis, penis penis all day long..." -- general laughter -- )
Someone mentions the EFF guide to anonymity and blogging.
I thought it was very cool that a lot of non-moms, in fact lots of younger women - well, at least younger than me -- were there to listen & they read mommy blogs to get the Real Story. Oh, if only! When I think of all the very stupid parenting books I devoured... there was almost NOTHING good.
Here's the gist of what I said, or meant to say, at the academia panel.
(I forgot to start as one should, by saying what I'm about to say.)
Started blogging class notes in 2002. unprepared for strength of other people's reactions.
- purpose was to keep my own notes available and organized.
- to share notes with others if there was need or interest
- to ramble on about the subject further than I could in class - to go off on tangents
(so that the blogs were an attempt not to hijack the class or talk too much)
- to link to other stuff
Other students did sometimes use the notes if they missed class.
No one commented or participated in discussions, no one posted when invited to join a group blog.
I had the feeling I'd gone over a line that I hadn't known was there.
Professors mostly ignored it
But some objected strongly. It should be password protected. It was nonconsensual use or publication of their class material which was private... they didn't want to be quoted or identified by name.
Email lists were more acceptable to everyone.
- feels more informal
- ephemeral unless deliberately archived
Profs using proprietary software Blackboard
I also used it as a TA.
Disads: clunky. must click about 6 times to login, post, non-intuitive, bad interface.
issues that make profs worry:
- Intellectual property
- Fear of looking foolish, unprofessional, amateur
- Fear of someone stealing your ideas
- snobbery; not "real publication", unmediated by editors/peer review
- "inappropriate" to mix details of personal life and professional subject
- could be held liable, could be dooced
But why? why must research be "finished" to be respectable and valid information?
Science blogs quite common - scientists more secure in their position in public discourse - debate the norm - theories and being wrong - publishing preliminary data from a study - linguistics blogs?
Handout - Blogher panel - Blogging & Academia
Pharyngula & that whole sj gould anti-creationist webring. I love pharygula!
(though in fairness i recall hearing many theor. phys1cists dissing the "pop sci" writer colleagues, as if agreeing to write a review article for sci am were the kiss of death to serious science )
Linguistics... Philosophy.. there's lots of them!
Tech ones - I'm not so familiar
student blogs that don't talk about the subject exclusively
Venting, protected by veneer of anonymity