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Jo

YES YES YES! It's like we are the same brain today.

qp

Aah! Yes, and if people just realized "this is a kind of work that I've done for you" more often up front how much more smoothly it would go -- appreciation could be accepted happily as currency and not deflected/shrugged off... I am bad at acknowledging that, I am usually the one who makes the food and makes the house a pleasant shared space to be in but when someone thanks me for it I'm all "oh well I like to do it, I would do it anyway, it's nothing..." (and I would do it anyway, sure)
but... (especially since I am far better at the hostly-integry than the friendly-integry -- that is girlfriend's domain) even a casual (not co-op-y) recognition of all the different stuff in the social glue would be most welcome, and valuable. work is work! contributions! manners are c00l!

Prentiss Riddle

The session on tagging and folksonomy at SXSW was entitled "Leveraging Solipsism", meaning how you can use people's tagging for their own personal use to build metadata of use to the group as a whole.

But dang, it seems to me that they should have had a feminist economist on the panel to talk about "integry" and other motivations for tagging which are social, not solipsistic, in the first place.

I thought this was an original insight till I got to your last line and realized that Danah would be there way ahead of me. Pity she wasn't on the panel.

(P.S. I wonder whether more people would have gotten the joke if they'd named the panel "Leveraging Onanism"?)

badgerbag

Oh exactly, qp - "Don't mention it, I would do it anyway..." It's true. But glossing over it is also because it's not mentionable; it's a taboo subject.

While I'm revealing my innermost thoughts I'll go even more taboo and say this: sluttiness is integry.

qp

"But glossing over it is also because it's not mentionable; it's a taboo subject."

Yeah, it's like the sort of social accommodations/events/networks are things that are done, passive-done, and it's expected that they'll be done, yet mentioning doing (and so the doer) is not ok, uncomfortable. Less so with examples like weddings &c., maybe, more with friendships and other daily things -- we don't so much talk about how it's hard sometimes to make and maintain ties, to do upkeep both emotional and environmental. It's supposed to seem easy, natural, innate maybe? why? sure isn't!

sluttiness = sure!
More intense glue! (Although, definitely more taboo, too. Work that isn't recognized at all sometimes, rather the opposite. People seeing sluttiness as the opposite of expanding the social space, breaking it up instead. Doesn't make sense now. Have begun thinking about bonobos: danger! danger!)

badgerbag

Hmm, actually, that spa spam reminded me of this post on Le Guin heroes. Thanks, spa(m) equipment! It connects nicely to these thoughts...

Jo

I love that spa(m.) It is so, I don't know, so poetic, somehow. I am now thinking how I might spam you in a post entitled "Integry." Some kind of product that would facilitate relationships between women.

Tupperware

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Marykay

Mary Kay naked

Ide Cyan

Heeeee....

I'm currently having an IM conversation with someone, and I was talking about integry, and so I looked it up in an couple of online dictionaries to see what they had to say, but they didn't even list the word, so I turned to Google, and it listed your blog entry as the first result.

It's a small web.

Now I'm going to actually read your entry, and comment again if necessary.

degan

this is great. I just got back from holidays and came across your site, now I'm trying to get my sluggish neurons all fired up to be thinking about things.

badgerbag

Hmmm, maybe I should write something up for Wikipedia and properly cite Joanna Russ.

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